god damn I hate political correctness
sorry that is all I will say
Just really dude…… I said “cunt”
then it becomes justin the woman hater
I shoulda trolled hard
Justin, I think if you sat long enough to hear Nathan explains rape culture, patriarchy, etc., that you would feel differently and you would see that “political correctness” itself is a term created to make people such as yourself feel totally justified in perpetuating rape culture and patriarchy. But it’s not something that’s going to come across in one or even two facebook messages. You have to commit yourself to growing, expanding and learning and until you do that, you’ll still see it only as “political correctness.” Whatevs—you’re not my crusade.
I am totally against rape culture……….
I don;’t see how me using the word cunt perpetuates that………
One part of rape culture is a shared language that uses phrases referring to females and female body parts as inferior and subhuman, worthy of degradation, worthy of abuse.
We might think it’s gender neutral because the way WE use it, we also apply it to men
but it’s not so easy.
I get that
where words come from, who hears/reads them, still matters beyond who you intended to “target”
I’m gay. I don’t like it when people use the word “gay” to mean “stupid.”
It’s the same thing.
But people have largely adopted the “gay doesn’t mean bad” stuff
and yet we still call people sluts and cunts.
it’s rather frustrating.
It has been adopted that way you are right
I am way more open minded than you think
or most people thinking
but putting me in the social pariah position as nathan did, isn’t going to teach anyone anything
I can’t help but feel like the “don’t say gay to mean bad” stuff actually penetrated (he he) the culture because it applies to men and men have the power to bend culture in a way that women do not. so slut shaming and rape culture language persists even as homophobic language recedes.
I can accept what you are saying completely
It helps not to be vilified when someone is trying to explain it to you though.
thanks it made a difference in my day
I can’t say it totally changed my views
but it gave me a lump to think about and pontificate on
pontificate on, that will most likely result in some mental changesSee a few facebook messages can make a diff
well, you’re on a path.
aren’t we all
I think there are probably some basic thoughts and ideas about life that you me and nathan would disagree on, but discourse and discussion is the way to at least understanding if not agreement.
I hope you have a nice day!
It is not easy for the INTJ to express their internal images, insights, and abstractions. The internal form of the INTJ’s thoughts and concepts is highly individualized, and is not readily translatable into a form that others will understand. However, the INTJ is driven to translate their ideas into a plan or system that is usually readily explainable, rather than to do a direct translation of their thoughts. They usually don’t see the value of a direct transaction, and will also have difficulty expressing their ideas, which are non-linear. However, their extreme respect of knowledge and intelligence will motivate them to explain themselves to another person who they feel is deserving of the effort.
From Portrait of an INTJ
I hate it when people ask what my astrological sign is. I’m all, “Why don’t you want to know my Myers Briggs?”
The portrait goes on to say INTJs tend to “plan for every conceivable contingency.” It wasn’t until my mid-20s that I realize this tendency I have is rather uncommon and quite tiresome to other personality types. Planning for worst-case-scenarios is usually easy and reassuring to me, while to others even mentioning the worst case scenario is paranoia or cynicism.
From an email from a rep from a Big Green:
We recognize the fact that most, if not all, meaningful social movements throughout history have been conceived, organized, and orchestrated from the ground up by front-line communities. We also see how the environmental activist movement has often failed to be inclusive and supportive of these very same communities. As a larger, well resourced activist organization, XXXXXXXX would like to be a part of changing this dynamic by supporting all communities through offering direct action skills trainings, resource development, and bringing different activist communities together by creating a safe and inclusive space for skill sharing and learning.
Doncha just love that “if not all” CYA. Hmmpf…
You can’t change “this dynamic” by including real agents of change in your well-intended but hopeless money-sucking Big Green endeavors. It doesn’t matter what we’re talking about: The Grassroots does it better, does it faster, and does it MORE than you Big Green assholes—and we do it on a fraction of the budget.
BIG GREENS: You have to transform yourself to change this dynamic. You can’t be the “cool” big green who invites the grassroots better than that other stinky Big Green who does it wrong.
You just gotta stop being a Big Green.
Isn’t it just too cliche for me to tell you: “Be the change you want to see in the world”? You say that you think grassroots make all the change, but rather than following that model for yourself and decentralizing power and control of your vast wealth, you’re gonna keep on keep on doing your hierarchical, centralized Big Green bullshit like you always do, but then you gone turned around and expected a cookie when you “include” the real agents of change.
If you want to change the dynamic of Big Greens taking up so much space that grassroots folks can hardly breath, then stop being a Big Green. Decentralize power. Decentralize your control of the movement’s money.
But— pause. On another note…in the meantime, while we’re waiting to see if the Big Greens take my advice….
The events Big Greens put together are flashy and got a lot of money in them, so they’re exciting, they seem fun, sometimes they even attract A-list celebrities and huge throngs of excited young people, so surely all this money being spent must contribute to victory. Can’t I look at the bright side? Can’t I be a team player? Can’t I recognize others’ contributions? Why do I have to be so divisive?
It’s because despite the just-fine intentions of some/many people within these organizations, I don’t actually believe that money spent by Big Greens is leading to victory, I think it’s the proverbial road to hell that’s paved with good intentions—the more money spent, the faster we’re getting there.
The very existence of a well-heeled, giant, hierarchical organization—much less a slew of them—leaves people with the impression that the problems are being taken care of by people, networks and organizations that are so big and sophisticated that they’re hard to even fathom, so what exactly could I possibly have to offer that? I have $5. If we all give $5 to this gargantuan but benevolent beast, surely we’ll be inching toward victory. Here, take $5 and go save the world—let me get back to surviving.
That’s the sort of dynamic that Big Greens maintain just by existing—they can’t change that by being the “cool” Big Green who thinks they get it and does a better job than others of wooing the grassroots. They can only change that by ceasing to exist.
The Big Greens survive on easy sales pitches that can be summed up too snarkily. Too busy to fight the revolution? No problem, just give us $5 (or $5 million) and we’ll do it for you!
The grassroots does a little of that hokey stuff during fundraising time, but they thrive for real on real real talk: We’re all hurting people, many of whom have survived traumatic times, and we struggle to survive in this capitalistic world and it’s hard to imagine that given all that we can actually struggle against the capitalist structure, but we’re going to be here for each other, we’re going to create entirely new centers of power right here in our own neighborhood so that you, too, can feel secure enough to join us in the fight.
It’s not an easy sales pitch, it doesn’t lead to paychecks that get you cute apartments in the Dolores Park or Williamsburg, but at least it’s the one that has created “most, if not all, meaningful social” change.
There, I’m done.
— Linda Evans and Eve Goldberg, “The Prison Industrial Complex and the Global Economy” (via riseabovethemadness)